"XXX" has provided me with many laughs over the months. Sure he has written vile, name calling posts that I have allowed myself to sometimes become irritated. I did get a bit upset when, trying as I did, I couldn't get him to budge from his plan that took months for him to finally create and post on MY blog.
"XXX" finally weighed in on the CAC's actions and he really doesn't care what anyone other than himself thinks, and doesn't give a crap about how OUR community feels about the Ponte Vista issue.
But sometimes it is good, I feel, to continue to illustrate the rage and pathetic writing of someone who maybe in league in some way with Bob and Bob should know about it, but wishing to remain blind to some truths has been obvious for some time with Bob and he has published some of those untruths for all of us to read, and keep on file.
Below are three comments, one from "XXX" himself, about what the CAC was supposed and what it did. We get to see "XXX" correct himself, something he rarely does because he probably believes he know everything about everything.
Let's take another look into the raging mind of whoever this person really is:
Anonymous said...
It is not a committee's job to come up with a development plan. They rejected the number of units proposed and said that they advise keeping the current zoning of R-1. They are not developers, planners etc. Now it is the developers job to go back to the drawing board and submit a plan within those guidelines, allowing the number of units that adhere to the current zoning. I believe they did their job whether you agree with the outcome or not.
July 28, 2007 10:31 PM
Tom said...
Anonymous July 28, 2007 10:31 PM Yes, you are correct.
It was not the committee's job to come up with a development plan. What they WERE supposed to do was come up with suggestions on what they would like to see built.
Check the record, you'll see that is exactly what Janice Hahn said.
But the R-1 gang and their intimidation tactics succeeded in hijacking the process.
Look at some of the actions the committee took early on, recommending senior housing, recommending a shuttle-bus service, etc. They were headed in the right direction.
Until, that is, the R-1 thugs bullied them into believing something else.
Shame on them, and shame on Janice Hahn for letting it happen. She wants so much to be like her Daddy. But she'd better realize that to do that, she needs to start acting like him.
The only reason you believe they did their job is because you want R-1. I can guarantee if they had come out with a recommendation for something else, you'd be screaming your head off.
What I'm saying has nothing to do with the outcome. The process was contaminated and mis-directed by the R-1 thugs.
Therefore any result which came out of it would be contaminated.
Tom Field
July 29, 2007 2:32 PM
Anonymous said...
"What they WERE supposed to do was come up with suggestions on what they would like to see built."
That's exactly what they did Tom. They want to see single family homes built. So are you saying that the CAC could have come up with suggestions of what they want to see built as long as it did not include R1? Also, the R1 folks "bullied" nobody. Maybe it was the bullying, arrogance or tactics of Bob Bisno or the attacks by Joe Donato that turned the CAC and Janice Hahn against the pro-development side. The R1 folks just helped legitimize the R1 stance.
One thing you don't seem to understand about this town, Tom, is that it's filled with allot of folks with a deep amount of pride in what San Pedro represents. Bob Bisno is not welcome here, and I think the community and our representative have spoken loud and clear. It would/will be great to see Bisno and Ponte Vista pack their bags and get out!!
P.S. - I was not a Janice Hahn fan prior to this, but what I am seeing in some of her actions (not just Ponte Vista) is that she does listen to the majority of the community. Good for her!!!
July 30, 2007 8:33 AM
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Now if anyone would like to debate or discuss with me what the CAC was supposed to do and what it actually did during its tenure, I would love it. You see, between "XXX" and me, only one of us was present at public and some closed meetings for the entire tenure of the CAC, starting before each public meeting and after the end of every single public meeting. I was never late or absent from any public and some of the closed meetings the CAC had.
If "XXX" doesn't remember the three sets of illustrations, the long drawn out discussions about what individual members would like to see at Ponte Vista, my comments regarding my wish for some senior housing, and many of the members real struggle to find a set of numbers of units that a majority of CAC members might have approved of, is simply but completely wrong about the CAC and its mission.
Bob Bisno is the one and only person who constantly sat in the way of the CAC's ability to come up with a range of numbers of units. It is as simple as that. Whenever we tried our best to suggest something that mentioned honest numbers, Bob was right there telling you and the rest of OUR community exactly what would be built at Ponte Vista, as a matter of fact and not opinion.
The bottom line that cannot and must not be ignored is that if "XXX" is not in league with Bob, he certainly acts like and agent for Bob's plans. We may even see Bob "compromise" to attempt to get through the Planning Department as 1,700-unit plan, after all.
"XXX" just can't seem to stop name calling. It appears that this individual has some real emotional and social problems, I believe. If he can't be civil to others, what does that say about what he really thinks about himself? Perhaps he doesn't like himself and he wants everyone else to feel as bad as he does. Oh yeah, I forgot. "XXX" knows everything about everything and he is a perfect person and the rest of us are only worth attacking.
And another thing, The thirteen-member CAC was compromised of four, as in two-plus two, members who supported R1 strongly. One individual was on the R1 side for a spell, then considered compromise, then back to being and R1 supporter.
So there were only five of the thirteen members, "XXX" that is NOT a majority, who finally were strongly supporting R1.
Two members were supportive all along for a much bigger development than the majority of members thought about. In looking back at the voting, one of the members represented business on the CAC, and the other represented a whole area of business community members.
The remaining six individuals struggled mightily to find some range of unit numbers that they felt OUR community could live with.
In the end, it was Bob who demonstrated that providing a reasonable compromise in total number of units, the six great members of the CAC who worked so very hard at finding compromise were left out in the open and without any good reason to further attempt to find some number Bob would object to, anyway.
The CAC's decisions came from Bob's actions and inaction, nothing more. Al, Sal, Jerry, John, Dan, and Jack worked their butts off trying to find some compromise range of numbers. Nobody on this planet can say those six great members of OUR community didn't try their best or work their hardest and they did the best they could do under incredible conditions.
OUR community should stand up, applaud eleven of the thirteen members of the CAC who voted the way they did and thank the two other individuals for the hard work they did supporting Bob's plans for a really big development. At least they tried, too.
Monday, July 30, 2007
Sunday, July 29, 2007
Here's Another Thought
I know that Bob Bisno has an advisor who knows a whole lot about computers, computing, and probably Web hosting and/or blogging.
Why don't I allow Bob and his advisor to ferret out the three cowards?
If Bob won't ask his advisor to assist all of us in finding the offending trio, perhaps that would be a sign that Bob and his gang see not need or wish to ferret out dishonest folks.
It would make my job a whole lot easier and I wouldn't have to imagine and create a post dealing with my imagination.
Bob has a friend who probably knows how to find this fellow or this trio. Perhaps "XXX" doesn't know what I know about one of Bob's advisers. Either way, if "XXX" is a friend of Bob or not, he is doing a wonderful service for all of us in demonstrating how pathetic, desperate, and ruthless some supporters can be and how Bob and his bunch probably wish to keep plausibly deniable left on the table. Shame on Bob and his bunch if that is the case.
Why don't I allow Bob and his advisor to ferret out the three cowards?
If Bob won't ask his advisor to assist all of us in finding the offending trio, perhaps that would be a sign that Bob and his gang see not need or wish to ferret out dishonest folks.
It would make my job a whole lot easier and I wouldn't have to imagine and create a post dealing with my imagination.
Bob has a friend who probably knows how to find this fellow or this trio. Perhaps "XXX" doesn't know what I know about one of Bob's advisers. Either way, if "XXX" is a friend of Bob or not, he is doing a wonderful service for all of us in demonstrating how pathetic, desperate, and ruthless some supporters can be and how Bob and his bunch probably wish to keep plausibly deniable left on the table. Shame on Bob and his bunch if that is the case.
Raging Duo, They're Both Full of Bull
I don't know about you, but it is beginning to look like there may be a father-daughter tag team of bloggers in the blogosphere. I won't provide any names and it is just one opinion, but it is seems to me that, perhaps, two individuals with knowledge of blogging have formed or continued to be a team of enraged souls who like attacking more than they enjoy being decent human beings.
Of course it could just be one individual, or an individual and a friend, but it now seems like there is a family component that is doing what they are doing.
Please don't supply me with any names because it might alter my imagination. I don't need to know what your imagination believes and I hope you keep your imagination to yourself.
Just imagining this particular team is enough for me. My son is very much involved with computers, computing, and creating Web sites and other things on the Internet. I do know that a father and a son can create a team. Why not a father and a daughter?
My son doesn't deal with the Ponte Vista issue via the Internet, but he is quite capable of doing so if he wishes to. I don't think I need to ask him to assist me. I have plenty of contributors that I am not related to, to help all of us keep the current zoning at Ponte Vista, for now.
It still is shameful that individuals opposed to keeping the zoning current at Ponte Vista enjoy lowering themselves to such disgusting levels. It is also shameful that BDC doesn't attempt to step in and call for decency. But why should we expect that anyway, from a developer and his corp who wish to change our quality of life for profit's sake?
I am quite surprised that anyone would post a comment on "XXX"'s blog. He has stated he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, so why waste time commenting to someone who is so completely egotistical that they don't care what anyone else thinks?
"XXX" is so completely ignorant of some true, real, and basic facts about so many things, nobody should allow him any credibility on those facts alone. He doesn't know what I know about many members of the CAC and others. He is completely incorrect about some of the members who tried for a range of units, but could not because of Bob's actions, comments, and plans.
"XXX" has so few clues about what is really going on, he should stick to what he probably started about two years ago and let the rest of us get on with what we need to get on with.
I can't be angry with "XXX" because he got screwed by Bob from the beginning and he still can't find a way out of his dilemma. I bet when we learn his true identity, but don't believe he will do what he promised to do, we will all see a situation where betrayal comes from many sides and Bob and his bunch will look more worse than they already do.
I think I will post some of the Emails I have from "XXX" in which he almost pleads with me to let him keep his identity secret. He was pathetic then, and he still continues to be. What is even more pathetic is that he drew either his family member or his good friend into his web of deceit and it looks like he is willing to drag anyone he wants to into the sewer he lives in.
This is the uncensored blog. I get to write anything I wish to, and if somebody doesn't like that, please discontinue reading this blog.
Oh Foul Mouth fellow, not only do I know all the foul words your piehole oozes, I also know them in other languages, too. I also have a larger vocabulary than you do, so keep your fecal breath and feces stained fingers away from directing any comments to me or anyone else, including any group off all of my blogs.
However if you choose to appear on any other blogs I read, I think that will be a signal to me that "XXX" really doesn't care about me suggesting names and ideas using initials or names of real persons to suggest who the folks behind a couple of poor blogs might be.
You see folks, I can actually use names in suggesting identities without running afoul of any laws because my opinion would not be considered true fact, as far as the laws are written and any "suggestion" on my part is just that: a suggestion from and individual who actually doesn't know the true answer.
You see, if I suggest names at any point, without any true knowledge as to the real identity of any individual, it is not slander or libel or anything other than a hypothetical idea. I would state at the beginning and throughout any piece that I do not know the real identity of the folks that have not revealed their true identity to me, so if I name someone, they have every right to claim it is not them. If, however I truly knew the real identity of individuals who I suspect are who I imagine they are, then I could be thought of being slanderous or libelous.
Since "XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and the fake blog creator have not revealed their true identity and have not shown the courage to reveal their real identities to me, I can write whatever I wish.
I have promised that if I knew the true identity of "XXX" I would not reveal that on any of my blogs, and I stand by that promise. It would also follow since I believe "XXX" knows Foul Mouth fellow and the creator of the fake R1 blog, I would also not publish those names, either.
If I find out what I think is the truth, I will have to inform Bob Bisno, only if any of these three cowards are actually involved in any way with any of the groups employed to support or supporting Ponte Vista.
I think I may not wait until August 20, I might create a post with my imagination on this particular blog.
If innocent folks are offended, that is as bad as what has happened to me. Let's see if someone squirms on a blog or two this week. don't look for me to squirm though, I comfortable where I sit.
Of course it could just be one individual, or an individual and a friend, but it now seems like there is a family component that is doing what they are doing.
Please don't supply me with any names because it might alter my imagination. I don't need to know what your imagination believes and I hope you keep your imagination to yourself.
Just imagining this particular team is enough for me. My son is very much involved with computers, computing, and creating Web sites and other things on the Internet. I do know that a father and a son can create a team. Why not a father and a daughter?
My son doesn't deal with the Ponte Vista issue via the Internet, but he is quite capable of doing so if he wishes to. I don't think I need to ask him to assist me. I have plenty of contributors that I am not related to, to help all of us keep the current zoning at Ponte Vista, for now.
It still is shameful that individuals opposed to keeping the zoning current at Ponte Vista enjoy lowering themselves to such disgusting levels. It is also shameful that BDC doesn't attempt to step in and call for decency. But why should we expect that anyway, from a developer and his corp who wish to change our quality of life for profit's sake?
I am quite surprised that anyone would post a comment on "XXX"'s blog. He has stated he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, so why waste time commenting to someone who is so completely egotistical that they don't care what anyone else thinks?
"XXX" is so completely ignorant of some true, real, and basic facts about so many things, nobody should allow him any credibility on those facts alone. He doesn't know what I know about many members of the CAC and others. He is completely incorrect about some of the members who tried for a range of units, but could not because of Bob's actions, comments, and plans.
"XXX" has so few clues about what is really going on, he should stick to what he probably started about two years ago and let the rest of us get on with what we need to get on with.
I can't be angry with "XXX" because he got screwed by Bob from the beginning and he still can't find a way out of his dilemma. I bet when we learn his true identity, but don't believe he will do what he promised to do, we will all see a situation where betrayal comes from many sides and Bob and his bunch will look more worse than they already do.
I think I will post some of the Emails I have from "XXX" in which he almost pleads with me to let him keep his identity secret. He was pathetic then, and he still continues to be. What is even more pathetic is that he drew either his family member or his good friend into his web of deceit and it looks like he is willing to drag anyone he wants to into the sewer he lives in.
This is the uncensored blog. I get to write anything I wish to, and if somebody doesn't like that, please discontinue reading this blog.
Oh Foul Mouth fellow, not only do I know all the foul words your piehole oozes, I also know them in other languages, too. I also have a larger vocabulary than you do, so keep your fecal breath and feces stained fingers away from directing any comments to me or anyone else, including any group off all of my blogs.
However if you choose to appear on any other blogs I read, I think that will be a signal to me that "XXX" really doesn't care about me suggesting names and ideas using initials or names of real persons to suggest who the folks behind a couple of poor blogs might be.
You see folks, I can actually use names in suggesting identities without running afoul of any laws because my opinion would not be considered true fact, as far as the laws are written and any "suggestion" on my part is just that: a suggestion from and individual who actually doesn't know the true answer.
You see, if I suggest names at any point, without any true knowledge as to the real identity of any individual, it is not slander or libel or anything other than a hypothetical idea. I would state at the beginning and throughout any piece that I do not know the real identity of the folks that have not revealed their true identity to me, so if I name someone, they have every right to claim it is not them. If, however I truly knew the real identity of individuals who I suspect are who I imagine they are, then I could be thought of being slanderous or libelous.
Since "XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and the fake blog creator have not revealed their true identity and have not shown the courage to reveal their real identities to me, I can write whatever I wish.
I have promised that if I knew the true identity of "XXX" I would not reveal that on any of my blogs, and I stand by that promise. It would also follow since I believe "XXX" knows Foul Mouth fellow and the creator of the fake R1 blog, I would also not publish those names, either.
If I find out what I think is the truth, I will have to inform Bob Bisno, only if any of these three cowards are actually involved in any way with any of the groups employed to support or supporting Ponte Vista.
I think I may not wait until August 20, I might create a post with my imagination on this particular blog.
If innocent folks are offended, that is as bad as what has happened to me. Let's see if someone squirms on a blog or two this week. don't look for me to squirm though, I comfortable where I sit.
Saturday, July 28, 2007
Stuff I Want to Write
First off, if you are looking for most of Foul Mouth fellow's comments, I have put them back into draft form so you won't have to read those bits unless he cries and I bring them back because he whines that I censor folks.
I am not censoring you, Foul Mouth fellow, I just think your writings have been viewed by enough folks for a while and if I feel I want to put that post back up, I will do it.
My niceness is wearing thin with this particular blog. "Tim", "Tammy" or whatever that other blogger wishes to call himself is not really annoying, but he/she is now somewhat funny.
He/she claims to not have attended the July 24 meeting, but he/she knows too much about that meeting to either be factually incorrect about his/her attendance, or he/she is being fed information by someone else.
To suggest a "friend" is writing the fake R1 blog, instead of him/her is also very, very questionable. Why should anyone on this or any other planet believe anything "Tory", "Tomas", or "Tina" writes when we don't even know who they really are. Falsifying one's own name surely must be a great sign that he/she shouldn't be taken seriously, or truthfully.
If "Tawny" "Tisha", "Truman" or "Thurston" didn't make the July 24 meeting, I fully expect that he/she will avoid the last CAC meeting and his/her promise to shake my hand, like he/she promised to do so many months ago.
This is but one more item that makes me giggle. I have time to waste writing about "Terrin", "Thadious", "Tum" or "Thigpin" because it sometimes is fun to sit and do nothing.
Heck, I will probably decide to reject comments at will now on this blog and/or move comments as I wish to. See folks, I am a real person, with real thoughts, real ideas, and I am willing to be out there when so many of Bob's supporters like "Twila", "Todd", "Tsing", or "Thumper" hide and slink behind Bob and his gang.
I am not censoring you, Foul Mouth fellow, I just think your writings have been viewed by enough folks for a while and if I feel I want to put that post back up, I will do it.
My niceness is wearing thin with this particular blog. "Tim", "Tammy" or whatever that other blogger wishes to call himself is not really annoying, but he/she is now somewhat funny.
He/she claims to not have attended the July 24 meeting, but he/she knows too much about that meeting to either be factually incorrect about his/her attendance, or he/she is being fed information by someone else.
To suggest a "friend" is writing the fake R1 blog, instead of him/her is also very, very questionable. Why should anyone on this or any other planet believe anything "Tory", "Tomas", or "Tina" writes when we don't even know who they really are. Falsifying one's own name surely must be a great sign that he/she shouldn't be taken seriously, or truthfully.
If "Tawny" "Tisha", "Truman" or "Thurston" didn't make the July 24 meeting, I fully expect that he/she will avoid the last CAC meeting and his/her promise to shake my hand, like he/she promised to do so many months ago.
This is but one more item that makes me giggle. I have time to waste writing about "Terrin", "Thadious", "Tum" or "Thigpin" because it sometimes is fun to sit and do nothing.
Heck, I will probably decide to reject comments at will now on this blog and/or move comments as I wish to. See folks, I am a real person, with real thoughts, real ideas, and I am willing to be out there when so many of Bob's supporters like "Twila", "Todd", "Tsing", or "Thumper" hide and slink behind Bob and his gang.
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
I Guess We (Me) Better Get Ready
The CAC tonight, adopted some motions that will probably enrage "XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and creator of fake R1 blog even more than they already are.
Perhaps I might decide to not allow the worst of the worst that will probably come in. I have demonstrated that while I don't like moderation, I have had to incorporate it on all of my blogs to keep Foul Mouth fellow from spewing what he normally eats for breakfast (bile) on this, and all other sites.
I think now since I have demonstrated that I can use censorship and move comments around, I might just change some lettering in those comments as they pass into the comment pool.
I might even change them to reflect how much Foul Mouth fellow actually respects the R1 position. If that individual can't clean up his fingers and mouth, perhaps I should clean up his comments to reflect a sane person is actually writing them.
You know, I might even publish those comments that I have imagined what he really wanted to say on some of my other blogs. Since that Foul Mouth fellow is anonymous, she can't use identity theft against me. Slander and libel also fly out of the window.
This could be quite fun for me and some of my friends. We can read what they write, imagine what they really meant, and change their comments to reflect our imagined reflection on their comments.
I am not part of Northwest San Pedro Neighborhood Council and I don't know if an organization can be a victim of defamation of character, but there are several folks at Northwest who have copied the posts on the fake R1 blog that may decide to call the L.A.P.D.
That organization has a Board of Directors. Those members are real people. If they feel that the organization they have their names associated with is defamed, they MAY have an actionable issue.
But the fake R1 site really gave me the idea of running a real blog for R Neighborhoods Are 1 and that has given more information on the Web that decent folks can use and share.
Thanks friend of "XXX", not only did you help me, but you used the "org" and I got to create a URL that is easier to find.
The reason I shouldn't joke about "XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and the creator of the fake R1 blog is that I was raised not to make fun of the mentally ill. But sometimes, it is just too easy and they are so ignorant.
Perhaps I might decide to not allow the worst of the worst that will probably come in. I have demonstrated that while I don't like moderation, I have had to incorporate it on all of my blogs to keep Foul Mouth fellow from spewing what he normally eats for breakfast (bile) on this, and all other sites.
I think now since I have demonstrated that I can use censorship and move comments around, I might just change some lettering in those comments as they pass into the comment pool.
I might even change them to reflect how much Foul Mouth fellow actually respects the R1 position. If that individual can't clean up his fingers and mouth, perhaps I should clean up his comments to reflect a sane person is actually writing them.
You know, I might even publish those comments that I have imagined what he really wanted to say on some of my other blogs. Since that Foul Mouth fellow is anonymous, she can't use identity theft against me. Slander and libel also fly out of the window.
This could be quite fun for me and some of my friends. We can read what they write, imagine what they really meant, and change their comments to reflect our imagined reflection on their comments.
I am not part of Northwest San Pedro Neighborhood Council and I don't know if an organization can be a victim of defamation of character, but there are several folks at Northwest who have copied the posts on the fake R1 blog that may decide to call the L.A.P.D.
That organization has a Board of Directors. Those members are real people. If they feel that the organization they have their names associated with is defamed, they MAY have an actionable issue.
But the fake R1 site really gave me the idea of running a real blog for R Neighborhoods Are 1 and that has given more information on the Web that decent folks can use and share.
Thanks friend of "XXX", not only did you help me, but you used the "org" and I got to create a URL that is easier to find.
The reason I shouldn't joke about "XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and the creator of the fake R1 blog is that I was raised not to make fun of the mentally ill. But sometimes, it is just too easy and they are so ignorant.
Information
A certain individual was inquiring about the names of the members of the committee which started the R1 group. This person kept writing and writing trying to find out the names.
As it turned out, this individual used the names he found out to attack them. He even went so far as to publish Email addresses on the Internet.
I know what I know and I do not need to let everyone know what I know. If you read my other blogs you can't help read that I am very forthcoming with much information and I don't mind letting you know about my vacation and some facets of my life.
If you don't know that I am a member of the committee that founded the R1 group, then you haven't been reading my blogs.
Why do so many folks seem to be able to come up with unfounded rumors and attribute real names when they write comments to my blog and the other fellow's blog.
I don't name names of individuals who I think about as being persons of shady character, on my blogs. I don't need to, I don't want to, and I don't feel it is honest to do so, without enough facts to back them up. This should be true for all of my blogs and the other blogs, as well.
"XXX" claims to have received comments stating that he is an identifiable person. He may or may not be, I do not know. I know who he is not because of information I do not believe should be passed around. I am sure all of you reading this have information at your disposal that shouldn't be revealed to the public or on any blog.
You can take it to the bank that "XXX" is not Bob Bisno, Elise Swanson, me, or Santa Claus. Beyond that you can have your imagination run wild, Email what ever you want to your friends, have long drawn out conversations about why "XXX" or I know what we know, but unless and until verifiable information is gathered, you might as well not comment on this or any other blog about anyone who does not have the courage to provide their true identity.
Now, what I know, I know. What I believe is not necessarily available to you.
I have stated that if and when I learn the true identity of folks who do not have the courage to reveal themselves, and if they are associated in any way with Bob, BDC, or any other supporting group, I will let you know that, but I will not reveal the person's real name on any of my blogs.
After more consideration and information, IF I can verify the identity AND they are associated in any way with Bob or Ponte Vista, I will contact Bob himself and let him know the name of that person. That person has done more damage to Bob's plan than I could ever do by putting Bob and his bunch into a position where they would need to do some damage control.
"XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and the creator of the fake blog, whether they all are the same individual, or whether they just know each other, have provided me and others with fodder and more reasons to question Bob, Bob's communications, and Bob's staff.
Every post by "XXX", every negative comment that ends up on this blog, and every disgusting comment actually demonstrate a rage and a desperation that helps the folks demanding only R1 at Ponte Vista, I strongly feel.
How low will supporters go. We still have plenty of time to find out, it seems.
One thing is for certain though, we will be here whether Bob bails or "XXX" finally realizes that whatever reputation he has built in OUR community, is shot, one we find out who he really is.
And another thing, to "XXX" and the creator of the fake blog, just because I didn't call the L.A.P.D. and just because that particular issue is something that I feel has been resolved, doesn't mean that others who feel they have been slandered (NWSPNC) might not want the Internet Fraud unit of the L.A.P.D. to become involved. I can't help what others do.
As it turned out, this individual used the names he found out to attack them. He even went so far as to publish Email addresses on the Internet.
I know what I know and I do not need to let everyone know what I know. If you read my other blogs you can't help read that I am very forthcoming with much information and I don't mind letting you know about my vacation and some facets of my life.
If you don't know that I am a member of the committee that founded the R1 group, then you haven't been reading my blogs.
Why do so many folks seem to be able to come up with unfounded rumors and attribute real names when they write comments to my blog and the other fellow's blog.
I don't name names of individuals who I think about as being persons of shady character, on my blogs. I don't need to, I don't want to, and I don't feel it is honest to do so, without enough facts to back them up. This should be true for all of my blogs and the other blogs, as well.
"XXX" claims to have received comments stating that he is an identifiable person. He may or may not be, I do not know. I know who he is not because of information I do not believe should be passed around. I am sure all of you reading this have information at your disposal that shouldn't be revealed to the public or on any blog.
You can take it to the bank that "XXX" is not Bob Bisno, Elise Swanson, me, or Santa Claus. Beyond that you can have your imagination run wild, Email what ever you want to your friends, have long drawn out conversations about why "XXX" or I know what we know, but unless and until verifiable information is gathered, you might as well not comment on this or any other blog about anyone who does not have the courage to provide their true identity.
Now, what I know, I know. What I believe is not necessarily available to you.
I have stated that if and when I learn the true identity of folks who do not have the courage to reveal themselves, and if they are associated in any way with Bob, BDC, or any other supporting group, I will let you know that, but I will not reveal the person's real name on any of my blogs.
After more consideration and information, IF I can verify the identity AND they are associated in any way with Bob or Ponte Vista, I will contact Bob himself and let him know the name of that person. That person has done more damage to Bob's plan than I could ever do by putting Bob and his bunch into a position where they would need to do some damage control.
"XXX", Foul Mouth fellow, and the creator of the fake blog, whether they all are the same individual, or whether they just know each other, have provided me and others with fodder and more reasons to question Bob, Bob's communications, and Bob's staff.
Every post by "XXX", every negative comment that ends up on this blog, and every disgusting comment actually demonstrate a rage and a desperation that helps the folks demanding only R1 at Ponte Vista, I strongly feel.
How low will supporters go. We still have plenty of time to find out, it seems.
One thing is for certain though, we will be here whether Bob bails or "XXX" finally realizes that whatever reputation he has built in OUR community, is shot, one we find out who he really is.
And another thing, to "XXX" and the creator of the fake blog, just because I didn't call the L.A.P.D. and just because that particular issue is something that I feel has been resolved, doesn't mean that others who feel they have been slandered (NWSPNC) might not want the Internet Fraud unit of the L.A.P.D. to become involved. I can't help what others do.
Monday, July 23, 2007
"Tom", You Can't Even Get Four Word Correct.
I don't make comments on "Tom" blog and I have asked him not to comment on mine, and I do thank him for not commenting.
But "Tom", where did I ever write "Responsive"? as one of my "four R's"? I did use as my fourth word a word you seem to have a whole lot of trouble with. That word is "Respectful".
I guess because you have such little respect for people other than yourself, you can't quite seem to understand the meaning. There are thousands and thousands of people I respect.
I respect and agree with Bob Bisno when he opposes any new high school at Ponte Vista and when he calls for a road between Western Avenue and Gaffey Street.
I respect Ms. Swanson's attempting to get the paid petition gatherers to stop making false comments. I know she has little control of individuals who are probably making about minimum wage, and I have heard her make comments about how she is trying to correct their inaccuracies.
I respect "Tom Field" when I learned that he is not the author of the fake R1 blog. He may know who is, but I do thank "Mr. Field" with his efforts to removed comments that can be thought of as the crime of Identity theft.
However "Mr. Field", I have not spoken to any law enforcement officer about that situation. You claimed I called the L.A.P.D.. They were contacted, but I didn't call them and the message from the detective did not wind up on my answering machine.
There are individuals I do respect on all sides of the Ponte Vista issue and I have written about some of the supporters of Bob's who I don't agree with, but I respect a lot of their good qualities and believe they are decent folks.
"Respect"...it can be earned and it can be lost.
Now about who I think "Tom" really is. I have not been able to find that out. I would like to know for sure and with certainty that he is not affiliated with Bob, BDC, any organization or business supporting Bob, or as a member of any advisory group supporting Ponte Vista.
In early Emails between myself and "Tom", I promised that I would not publish his name, if I ever learned it, while the CAC was still meeting. I keep my promises and I can easily keep that promise, too. But I think that "Tom" has attacked me time after time and I am writing this post tonight because of a post "Tom" wrote that was a complete attack on me.
If the identities' of us really doesn't matter, why does "Tom" continue to attack me personally? Why do I have that much power over him? He knows the identity of the fake R1 blogger. That person is most probably the same individual who wrote such foul language filled comments that I have moved them to the uncensored site. "Tom" is demonstrating his rage by advocating this type of behavior.
I know "Tom" gets attacked the same way I do. I don't believe I call names the way "Tom" does. I don't believe I have ever posted a picture on this or any other blog suggesting where "Tom's" head is at. He is too enraged, in my opinion, to have anything he writes taken seriously, by anyone. All of the points he seems to be trying to make disappear into his enraged writing that really is not important in the Ponte Vista discussion.
Here is "Tom's" direct question to me, he is asking on his blog:
If I walked up to you tomorrow and introduced myself, what difference would it make in how people form their opinions about Ponte Vista?
My answer is that the difference would be that if "Tom" is affiliated in any way with Ponte Vista, that should be made public. Not his true identity mind you, but his affiliation.
Now it is true that Mr. Bob Bisno and Ms. Elise Swanson do not know who "Tom" is. It is also a true fact that neither Mr. Bisno or Ms. Swanson is "Tom Field". I know this to be true and I will defend those two to the hilt if I have to, in proving they are not "Tom Field".
I do believe they haven't been informed of "Tom Field's" true identity for several reasons IF and only IF "Tom" is actually affiliated with Ponte Vista:
"Tom" never liked Bob's 2300 number and doesn't like Bob's 1950 number, either.
If "Tom" is affiliated with Ponte Vista in any way, I feel he would not like to thought of as a traitor by persons in high places at BDC. "Tom" and Ponte Vista would have a whole lot to lose.
They have enough credibility problems as it is and any more trouble will completely sink a listing ship. "Tom" may be someone who is or was prominent in OUR community.
After reading all that he has written and all that the attacks he knows where they came from, he now has a greater problem associated with an individual he may not wish to be associated with, but now is so, anyway.
For someone to have to hide their identity means they probably have more than just their identity to hide.
If information was learned by the Bisno group that they had someone of "Tom's" liking in their overall organization, it would not look good for them at all and they would have to find some way of distancing themselves from "Tom".
Oh "Tom" there can be no slander of libel of a fictitious person and you know it. I don't go around suggesting what anyone should write to you about because I know you would moderate them, too.
I have enough going on without needing to even look at your blog. But I do it from time to time just to see what new attack on me you write. If you feel that I am or have suggested to others to comment to you, you know that you have my Email address and have I ever not replied to any of your Emails?
What gives "Tom" the right to know what conversations I have with other folks. I don't believe I ask what he talks about to anyone. If I write an Email to someone, I expect it to remain private unless those who I write to feel they need to pass that information along. There is no slander or libel in that either, so please "Tom" stop that!
I would imagine "Tom" that if you are married and some of the writing that I have received was given to you, I think the honorable and reasonable thing to do to protect yourself and your wife, is to try and stop that type of comment from continuing. I am sorry that you do not share that concept or attempted to have that stopped on my behalf.
"Tom" must remember that I have assisted him in trying to find the identity of some particularly foul-mouthed individuals to his blog, but he seems unwilling to do the same for mine. I have even gone so far as to warn him about a person who claims to support R1 but is a bit unstable, in my opinion. I believe I have enough respect for individuals I strongly disagree with to let them know when there may be a potential threat to them.
Again something "Tom" failed to consider when he continues to attack me.
Of course within the hour I learned that Mr. Satomayor and Mr. Baric did not vote on the Chamber's motion, I posted that fact on my blog. Apparently "Tom" didn't read that part, or understand that I too, feel that Jack and Sal are great stand-up guys who have been only a credit to OUR community.
Again, "Tom" brings up my resignation from the CAC. Of course he is slanderous in not posting the real facts about why I left the CAC. As I have written so many times, I was appointed to the Rancho Palos Verdes Traffic Safety Commission where I feel I can have a better seat dealing with the Ponte Vista issue and where I will have two years to work to help all of us deal with the traffic issues, especially as they deal with Rancho Palos Verdes and the Ponte Vista project.
That fact seems to slip "Tom's" memory. I resigned from a shorter term committee where I knew my feelings were well represented by five great individuals, to join a commission where I am the only one living in eastern Rancho Palos Verdes and I have some knowledge of the Ponte Vista issue.
"Tom", you need to get your facts straight and learn to stick with them. I did suggest that nobody could stop me from blogging and I did not resign because of any pressure from Victor or anyone else. IN FACT "TOM", many, many people were frustrated with me for resigning from the CAC. Many folks wanted me not to resign and told me that repeatedly. Get your own facts straight "Tom", I am getting a little bored with so many of your falsehoods about me.
Where on this planet "Tom", did you ever find the word "Responsive" and attribute it to one of my four Rs? For you to be so wrong on this word and how many times I have used the correct four "R" words is almost shocking. I have never used "Responsive", to my knowledge. I have a time or two used "Reliable" but I can't remember "Responsive".
For you to be incorrect with 25% of the words I use suggests that your rage is almost blinding you and you are having more trouble reading.
Now look very closely at this post. Can anyone spot where I have called "Tom" a derogatory name? Oops, you can't. This is another way I differ from "Tom". I believe my vocabulary is fine enough to make my points without calling names. It is such a shame that "Tom" writes information he purports to be true and also includes name calling of me and lots of other people. I feel this is another piece of rage "Tom" is exhibiting. If he can't explain himself as he wishes he could, he calls names. Isn't that pathetic?
Do responsible people hide their identities if they are trying to create a responsible blog? The simple fact that the first and most important issue, the authorship of the blog is in question, seems to indicate that is might not have the credibility the individual who hides his own identity would wish it to have.
There is absolutely no reason to give credibility to a blogger who has to hide behind a false identity, in my opinion. This is just my opinion, but you all know my real name.
"Tom" is unrealistic and just wrong about my stance on rentals. I never wrote that every condo would become a rental, but "Tom" can't seem to understand that. It is true that I have attempted to find what percentage of condos become rentals and I think that is reasonable. I have found that in condo projects where they are providing housing for middle-income individuals, there are a percentage of condos that are rented out. I guess "Tom" doesn't want you to know that any traffic count considered for a condo project becomes moot when a percentage of renters move in.
So here is my deal. When I read a post like the one "Tom" wrote which was created as a complete attack on me, I get to respond. Doesn't that seem fair?
I will continue to use the real truth when I counter "Tom's" accusations, and I will not use foul words or name-calling to get my point across.
"Tom" has been told that I do not encourage anyone to make comment on his blog or state who they believe he really is. I leave that up to my own imagination and I don't wish or need to publish his true identity, if I knew it, at this time, on my blog.
I think everyone has witnessed that I try my best to keep my promises and be as Responsible, Reasonable, Realistic, and Respectful as possible.
I think too many of you have seen the comments on my uncensored blog and many of you have done what "Tom" won't do and condemn those who make such comments.
I think you have seen on this particular post, I am more angry than I normally get. You can't find profanity, name calling, or any real character assassination of a real person whose true name is known.
"Tom" is not Bob, or Elise, or Foul Mouth fellow, or the blogger of the fake blog. I never called the L.A.P.D. on the fake R1 issue, either.
You can believe me or someone who doesn't "seem" to have the courage to stand up truly for his beliefs and give their true identity.
Trust who you wish, believe who you will. I stand by facts, "Tom" lives and stands by at least one alias, it appears.
But "Tom", where did I ever write "Responsive"? as one of my "four R's"? I did use as my fourth word a word you seem to have a whole lot of trouble with. That word is "Respectful".
I guess because you have such little respect for people other than yourself, you can't quite seem to understand the meaning. There are thousands and thousands of people I respect.
I respect and agree with Bob Bisno when he opposes any new high school at Ponte Vista and when he calls for a road between Western Avenue and Gaffey Street.
I respect Ms. Swanson's attempting to get the paid petition gatherers to stop making false comments. I know she has little control of individuals who are probably making about minimum wage, and I have heard her make comments about how she is trying to correct their inaccuracies.
I respect "Tom Field" when I learned that he is not the author of the fake R1 blog. He may know who is, but I do thank "Mr. Field" with his efforts to removed comments that can be thought of as the crime of Identity theft.
However "Mr. Field", I have not spoken to any law enforcement officer about that situation. You claimed I called the L.A.P.D.. They were contacted, but I didn't call them and the message from the detective did not wind up on my answering machine.
There are individuals I do respect on all sides of the Ponte Vista issue and I have written about some of the supporters of Bob's who I don't agree with, but I respect a lot of their good qualities and believe they are decent folks.
"Respect"...it can be earned and it can be lost.
Now about who I think "Tom" really is. I have not been able to find that out. I would like to know for sure and with certainty that he is not affiliated with Bob, BDC, any organization or business supporting Bob, or as a member of any advisory group supporting Ponte Vista.
In early Emails between myself and "Tom", I promised that I would not publish his name, if I ever learned it, while the CAC was still meeting. I keep my promises and I can easily keep that promise, too. But I think that "Tom" has attacked me time after time and I am writing this post tonight because of a post "Tom" wrote that was a complete attack on me.
If the identities' of us really doesn't matter, why does "Tom" continue to attack me personally? Why do I have that much power over him? He knows the identity of the fake R1 blogger. That person is most probably the same individual who wrote such foul language filled comments that I have moved them to the uncensored site. "Tom" is demonstrating his rage by advocating this type of behavior.
I know "Tom" gets attacked the same way I do. I don't believe I call names the way "Tom" does. I don't believe I have ever posted a picture on this or any other blog suggesting where "Tom's" head is at. He is too enraged, in my opinion, to have anything he writes taken seriously, by anyone. All of the points he seems to be trying to make disappear into his enraged writing that really is not important in the Ponte Vista discussion.
Here is "Tom's" direct question to me, he is asking on his blog:
If I walked up to you tomorrow and introduced myself, what difference would it make in how people form their opinions about Ponte Vista?
My answer is that the difference would be that if "Tom" is affiliated in any way with Ponte Vista, that should be made public. Not his true identity mind you, but his affiliation.
Now it is true that Mr. Bob Bisno and Ms. Elise Swanson do not know who "Tom" is. It is also a true fact that neither Mr. Bisno or Ms. Swanson is "Tom Field". I know this to be true and I will defend those two to the hilt if I have to, in proving they are not "Tom Field".
I do believe they haven't been informed of "Tom Field's" true identity for several reasons IF and only IF "Tom" is actually affiliated with Ponte Vista:
"Tom" never liked Bob's 2300 number and doesn't like Bob's 1950 number, either.
If "Tom" is affiliated with Ponte Vista in any way, I feel he would not like to thought of as a traitor by persons in high places at BDC. "Tom" and Ponte Vista would have a whole lot to lose.
They have enough credibility problems as it is and any more trouble will completely sink a listing ship. "Tom" may be someone who is or was prominent in OUR community.
After reading all that he has written and all that the attacks he knows where they came from, he now has a greater problem associated with an individual he may not wish to be associated with, but now is so, anyway.
For someone to have to hide their identity means they probably have more than just their identity to hide.
If information was learned by the Bisno group that they had someone of "Tom's" liking in their overall organization, it would not look good for them at all and they would have to find some way of distancing themselves from "Tom".
Oh "Tom" there can be no slander of libel of a fictitious person and you know it. I don't go around suggesting what anyone should write to you about because I know you would moderate them, too.
I have enough going on without needing to even look at your blog. But I do it from time to time just to see what new attack on me you write. If you feel that I am or have suggested to others to comment to you, you know that you have my Email address and have I ever not replied to any of your Emails?
What gives "Tom" the right to know what conversations I have with other folks. I don't believe I ask what he talks about to anyone. If I write an Email to someone, I expect it to remain private unless those who I write to feel they need to pass that information along. There is no slander or libel in that either, so please "Tom" stop that!
I would imagine "Tom" that if you are married and some of the writing that I have received was given to you, I think the honorable and reasonable thing to do to protect yourself and your wife, is to try and stop that type of comment from continuing. I am sorry that you do not share that concept or attempted to have that stopped on my behalf.
"Tom" must remember that I have assisted him in trying to find the identity of some particularly foul-mouthed individuals to his blog, but he seems unwilling to do the same for mine. I have even gone so far as to warn him about a person who claims to support R1 but is a bit unstable, in my opinion. I believe I have enough respect for individuals I strongly disagree with to let them know when there may be a potential threat to them.
Again something "Tom" failed to consider when he continues to attack me.
Of course within the hour I learned that Mr. Satomayor and Mr. Baric did not vote on the Chamber's motion, I posted that fact on my blog. Apparently "Tom" didn't read that part, or understand that I too, feel that Jack and Sal are great stand-up guys who have been only a credit to OUR community.
Again, "Tom" brings up my resignation from the CAC. Of course he is slanderous in not posting the real facts about why I left the CAC. As I have written so many times, I was appointed to the Rancho Palos Verdes Traffic Safety Commission where I feel I can have a better seat dealing with the Ponte Vista issue and where I will have two years to work to help all of us deal with the traffic issues, especially as they deal with Rancho Palos Verdes and the Ponte Vista project.
That fact seems to slip "Tom's" memory. I resigned from a shorter term committee where I knew my feelings were well represented by five great individuals, to join a commission where I am the only one living in eastern Rancho Palos Verdes and I have some knowledge of the Ponte Vista issue.
"Tom", you need to get your facts straight and learn to stick with them. I did suggest that nobody could stop me from blogging and I did not resign because of any pressure from Victor or anyone else. IN FACT "TOM", many, many people were frustrated with me for resigning from the CAC. Many folks wanted me not to resign and told me that repeatedly. Get your own facts straight "Tom", I am getting a little bored with so many of your falsehoods about me.
Where on this planet "Tom", did you ever find the word "Responsive" and attribute it to one of my four Rs? For you to be so wrong on this word and how many times I have used the correct four "R" words is almost shocking. I have never used "Responsive", to my knowledge. I have a time or two used "Reliable" but I can't remember "Responsive".
For you to be incorrect with 25% of the words I use suggests that your rage is almost blinding you and you are having more trouble reading.
Now look very closely at this post. Can anyone spot where I have called "Tom" a derogatory name? Oops, you can't. This is another way I differ from "Tom". I believe my vocabulary is fine enough to make my points without calling names. It is such a shame that "Tom" writes information he purports to be true and also includes name calling of me and lots of other people. I feel this is another piece of rage "Tom" is exhibiting. If he can't explain himself as he wishes he could, he calls names. Isn't that pathetic?
Do responsible people hide their identities if they are trying to create a responsible blog? The simple fact that the first and most important issue, the authorship of the blog is in question, seems to indicate that is might not have the credibility the individual who hides his own identity would wish it to have.
There is absolutely no reason to give credibility to a blogger who has to hide behind a false identity, in my opinion. This is just my opinion, but you all know my real name.
"Tom" is unrealistic and just wrong about my stance on rentals. I never wrote that every condo would become a rental, but "Tom" can't seem to understand that. It is true that I have attempted to find what percentage of condos become rentals and I think that is reasonable. I have found that in condo projects where they are providing housing for middle-income individuals, there are a percentage of condos that are rented out. I guess "Tom" doesn't want you to know that any traffic count considered for a condo project becomes moot when a percentage of renters move in.
So here is my deal. When I read a post like the one "Tom" wrote which was created as a complete attack on me, I get to respond. Doesn't that seem fair?
I will continue to use the real truth when I counter "Tom's" accusations, and I will not use foul words or name-calling to get my point across.
"Tom" has been told that I do not encourage anyone to make comment on his blog or state who they believe he really is. I leave that up to my own imagination and I don't wish or need to publish his true identity, if I knew it, at this time, on my blog.
I think everyone has witnessed that I try my best to keep my promises and be as Responsible, Reasonable, Realistic, and Respectful as possible.
I think too many of you have seen the comments on my uncensored blog and many of you have done what "Tom" won't do and condemn those who make such comments.
I think you have seen on this particular post, I am more angry than I normally get. You can't find profanity, name calling, or any real character assassination of a real person whose true name is known.
"Tom" is not Bob, or Elise, or Foul Mouth fellow, or the blogger of the fake blog. I never called the L.A.P.D. on the fake R1 issue, either.
You can believe me or someone who doesn't "seem" to have the courage to stand up truly for his beliefs and give their true identity.
Trust who you wish, believe who you will. I stand by facts, "Tom" lives and stands by at least one alias, it appears.
Saturday, July 21, 2007
Why is That Fellow Giving Me So Much Power?
Why is that foul-mouthed fellow or fella who also attacks me without using dirty words allowing me to have so much power over him/her?
There are only two individuals on this or any other planet that I should have power over. One is me and the other individual has four legs, weighs about 18 pounds, and goes by the name of "Cookie"
For someone to use valuable time, and really, really great effort, it seems, to write what they have written which now appears on this blog, strongly suggests that I have some kind of power over their enraged and extremely disturbed mind.
I shouldn't be responsible for having that much power over any one other than myself and my dog. Of course with Cookie, I share power with my wife, but that is to be expected.
So go ahead Foul Mouthed Fellow or Fella, equate yourself with my dog, I will give you credit that you write in the English language far clearer that she will ever be able to do.
The power you have bestowed on me, like the power I have over my dog, allows me the opportunity to play with you, too. Now go fetch your ball, and bring it back to me. I will pet you behind your ears, and throw your toy so you can run and grab it again. And when you are sleeping, you may want to sleep near my feet, too. But I reserve that place for a much more loving and worthy individual who I am proud to have some power over; my beloved Cookie.
There are only two individuals on this or any other planet that I should have power over. One is me and the other individual has four legs, weighs about 18 pounds, and goes by the name of "Cookie"
For someone to use valuable time, and really, really great effort, it seems, to write what they have written which now appears on this blog, strongly suggests that I have some kind of power over their enraged and extremely disturbed mind.
I shouldn't be responsible for having that much power over any one other than myself and my dog. Of course with Cookie, I share power with my wife, but that is to be expected.
So go ahead Foul Mouthed Fellow or Fella, equate yourself with my dog, I will give you credit that you write in the English language far clearer that she will ever be able to do.
The power you have bestowed on me, like the power I have over my dog, allows me the opportunity to play with you, too. Now go fetch your ball, and bring it back to me. I will pet you behind your ears, and throw your toy so you can run and grab it again. And when you are sleeping, you may want to sleep near my feet, too. But I reserve that place for a much more loving and worthy individual who I am proud to have some power over; my beloved Cookie.
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