I don't make comments on "Tom" blog and I have asked him not to comment on mine, and I do thank him for not commenting.
But "Tom", where did I ever write "Responsive"? as one of my "four R's"? I did use as my fourth word a word you seem to have a whole lot of trouble with. That word is "Respectful".
I guess because you have such little respect for people other than yourself, you can't quite seem to understand the meaning. There are thousands and thousands of people I respect.
I respect and agree with Bob Bisno when he opposes any new high school at Ponte Vista and when he calls for a road between Western Avenue and Gaffey Street.
I respect Ms. Swanson's attempting to get the paid petition gatherers to stop making false comments. I know she has little control of individuals who are probably making about minimum wage, and I have heard her make comments about how she is trying to correct their inaccuracies.
I respect "Tom Field" when I learned that he is not the author of the fake R1 blog. He may know who is, but I do thank "Mr. Field" with his efforts to removed comments that can be thought of as the crime of Identity theft.
However "Mr. Field", I have not spoken to any law enforcement officer about that situation. You claimed I called the L.A.P.D.. They were contacted, but I didn't call them and the message from the detective did not wind up on my answering machine.
There are individuals I do respect on all sides of the Ponte Vista issue and I have written about some of the supporters of Bob's who I don't agree with, but I respect a lot of their good qualities and believe they are decent folks.
"Respect"...it can be earned and it can be lost.
Now about who I think "Tom" really is. I have not been able to find that out. I would like to know for sure and with certainty that he is not affiliated with Bob, BDC, any organization or business supporting Bob, or as a member of any advisory group supporting Ponte Vista.
In early Emails between myself and "Tom", I promised that I would not publish his name, if I ever learned it, while the CAC was still meeting. I keep my promises and I can easily keep that promise, too. But I think that "Tom" has attacked me time after time and I am writing this post tonight because of a post "Tom" wrote that was a complete attack on me.
If the identities' of us really doesn't matter, why does "Tom" continue to attack me personally? Why do I have that much power over him? He knows the identity of the fake R1 blogger. That person is most probably the same individual who wrote such foul language filled comments that I have moved them to the uncensored site. "Tom" is demonstrating his rage by advocating this type of behavior.
I know "Tom" gets attacked the same way I do. I don't believe I call names the way "Tom" does. I don't believe I have ever posted a picture on this or any other blog suggesting where "Tom's" head is at. He is too enraged, in my opinion, to have anything he writes taken seriously, by anyone. All of the points he seems to be trying to make disappear into his enraged writing that really is not important in the Ponte Vista discussion.
Here is "Tom's" direct question to me, he is asking on his blog:
If I walked up to you tomorrow and introduced myself, what difference would it make in how people form their opinions about Ponte Vista?
My answer is that the difference would be that if "Tom" is affiliated in any way with Ponte Vista, that should be made public. Not his true identity mind you, but his affiliation.
Now it is true that Mr. Bob Bisno and Ms. Elise Swanson do not know who "Tom" is. It is also a true fact that neither Mr. Bisno or Ms. Swanson is "Tom Field". I know this to be true and I will defend those two to the hilt if I have to, in proving they are not "Tom Field".
I do believe they haven't been informed of "Tom Field's" true identity for several reasons IF and only IF "Tom" is actually affiliated with Ponte Vista:
"Tom" never liked Bob's 2300 number and doesn't like Bob's 1950 number, either.
If "Tom" is affiliated with Ponte Vista in any way, I feel he would not like to thought of as a traitor by persons in high places at BDC. "Tom" and Ponte Vista would have a whole lot to lose.
They have enough credibility problems as it is and any more trouble will completely sink a listing ship. "Tom" may be someone who is or was prominent in OUR community.
After reading all that he has written and all that the attacks he knows where they came from, he now has a greater problem associated with an individual he may not wish to be associated with, but now is so, anyway.
For someone to have to hide their identity means they probably have more than just their identity to hide.
If information was learned by the Bisno group that they had someone of "Tom's" liking in their overall organization, it would not look good for them at all and they would have to find some way of distancing themselves from "Tom".
Oh "Tom" there can be no slander of libel of a fictitious person and you know it. I don't go around suggesting what anyone should write to you about because I know you would moderate them, too.
I have enough going on without needing to even look at your blog. But I do it from time to time just to see what new attack on me you write. If you feel that I am or have suggested to others to comment to you, you know that you have my Email address and have I ever not replied to any of your Emails?
What gives "Tom" the right to know what conversations I have with other folks. I don't believe I ask what he talks about to anyone. If I write an Email to someone, I expect it to remain private unless those who I write to feel they need to pass that information along. There is no slander or libel in that either, so please "Tom" stop that!
I would imagine "Tom" that if you are married and some of the writing that I have received was given to you, I think the honorable and reasonable thing to do to protect yourself and your wife, is to try and stop that type of comment from continuing. I am sorry that you do not share that concept or attempted to have that stopped on my behalf.
"Tom" must remember that I have assisted him in trying to find the identity of some particularly foul-mouthed individuals to his blog, but he seems unwilling to do the same for mine. I have even gone so far as to warn him about a person who claims to support R1 but is a bit unstable, in my opinion. I believe I have enough respect for individuals I strongly disagree with to let them know when there may be a potential threat to them.
Again something "Tom" failed to consider when he continues to attack me.
Of course within the hour I learned that Mr. Satomayor and Mr. Baric did not vote on the Chamber's motion, I posted that fact on my blog. Apparently "Tom" didn't read that part, or understand that I too, feel that Jack and Sal are great stand-up guys who have been only a credit to OUR community.
Again, "Tom" brings up my resignation from the CAC. Of course he is slanderous in not posting the real facts about why I left the CAC. As I have written so many times, I was appointed to the Rancho Palos Verdes Traffic Safety Commission where I feel I can have a better seat dealing with the Ponte Vista issue and where I will have two years to work to help all of us deal with the traffic issues, especially as they deal with Rancho Palos Verdes and the Ponte Vista project.
That fact seems to slip "Tom's" memory. I resigned from a shorter term committee where I knew my feelings were well represented by five great individuals, to join a commission where I am the only one living in eastern Rancho Palos Verdes and I have some knowledge of the Ponte Vista issue.
"Tom", you need to get your facts straight and learn to stick with them. I did suggest that nobody could stop me from blogging and I did not resign because of any pressure from Victor or anyone else. IN FACT "TOM", many, many people were frustrated with me for resigning from the CAC. Many folks wanted me not to resign and told me that repeatedly. Get your own facts straight "Tom", I am getting a little bored with so many of your falsehoods about me.
Where on this planet "Tom", did you ever find the word "Responsive" and attribute it to one of my four Rs? For you to be so wrong on this word and how many times I have used the correct four "R" words is almost shocking. I have never used "Responsive", to my knowledge. I have a time or two used "Reliable" but I can't remember "Responsive".
For you to be incorrect with 25% of the words I use suggests that your rage is almost blinding you and you are having more trouble reading.
Now look very closely at this post. Can anyone spot where I have called "Tom" a derogatory name? Oops, you can't. This is another way I differ from "Tom". I believe my vocabulary is fine enough to make my points without calling names. It is such a shame that "Tom" writes information he purports to be true and also includes name calling of me and lots of other people. I feel this is another piece of rage "Tom" is exhibiting. If he can't explain himself as he wishes he could, he calls names. Isn't that pathetic?
Do responsible people hide their identities if they are trying to create a responsible blog? The simple fact that the first and most important issue, the authorship of the blog is in question, seems to indicate that is might not have the credibility the individual who hides his own identity would wish it to have.
There is absolutely no reason to give credibility to a blogger who has to hide behind a false identity, in my opinion. This is just my opinion, but you all know my real name.
"Tom" is unrealistic and just wrong about my stance on rentals. I never wrote that every condo would become a rental, but "Tom" can't seem to understand that. It is true that I have attempted to find what percentage of condos become rentals and I think that is reasonable. I have found that in condo projects where they are providing housing for middle-income individuals, there are a percentage of condos that are rented out. I guess "Tom" doesn't want you to know that any traffic count considered for a condo project becomes moot when a percentage of renters move in.
So here is my deal. When I read a post like the one "Tom" wrote which was created as a complete attack on me, I get to respond. Doesn't that seem fair?
I will continue to use the real truth when I counter "Tom's" accusations, and I will not use foul words or name-calling to get my point across.
"Tom" has been told that I do not encourage anyone to make comment on his blog or state who they believe he really is. I leave that up to my own imagination and I don't wish or need to publish his true identity, if I knew it, at this time, on my blog.
I think everyone has witnessed that I try my best to keep my promises and be as Responsible, Reasonable, Realistic, and Respectful as possible.
I think too many of you have seen the comments on my uncensored blog and many of you have done what "Tom" won't do and condemn those who make such comments.
I think you have seen on this particular post, I am more angry than I normally get. You can't find profanity, name calling, or any real character assassination of a real person whose true name is known.
"Tom" is not Bob, or Elise, or Foul Mouth fellow, or the blogger of the fake blog. I never called the L.A.P.D. on the fake R1 issue, either.
You can believe me or someone who doesn't "seem" to have the courage to stand up truly for his beliefs and give their true identity.
Trust who you wish, believe who you will. I stand by facts, "Tom" lives and stands by at least one alias, it appears.
Monday, July 23, 2007
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5 comments:
How do you know that Tom is not the foul mouthed guy or the one who created the fake blog?
Anon 9:30 - Excellent question!
You raised a good question and here is the answer.
You do know that "Tom" and I have communicated. You also should or do know that I know "Tom's" Email address of tomfield67@yahoo.com
You may also know that I do have the opportunity to write to "Tom" and explain my position and try and discuss things with him.
What other explaination would you like me to address?
You do not need to know everything about whether and how I communicate. That would be true for "Tom", too. You don't need to know who he communicates with, I imagine or whether he and I communicate. I do my best to let folks know when I clear things up with "Tom" as far as our fray goes.
"Tom's" Email address has been his for some time, just like some of my other Email addresses I do not publish. Having several Email addresses is not a bad thing at all.
I hope I have explained things, but if I haven't, please let me know what you want to know and I might be able to answer you or tell you why I can't answer you.
MW
Mark, maybe you ought to give Janice Hahn a run for her money, that answer sounded like a politician!
Kidding aside, are you saying you know Tom is not the foul mouthed guy, and not the fake blog guy, because he told you so? Or are you saying you have some concrete evidence that he is not the same person(s), and you just don't want to tell us how you found out?
Thanks anonymous.
I am only stating my own opinion after also stating that I do not know, at this time, the real identity of "Tom", Four Mouthed fellow, or the creator of the fake blog.
I do have some suspicions as to who I feel may be "Tom" and the creator of the fake R1 blog. I believe they are two different people, but they are either friends or they could be related to each other.
Foul Mouth fellow may be the same individual who created the fake R1 blog because of the "threat" that the individual claimed he/she would do next, after I stopped allowing foul language on my other blog.
If you read the cleaned up comments written in the same "voice" as Foul Mouth fellow, you can read that he/she was going to do something else. Just a few days later, the fake R1 blog appeared.
I think it is very fair for anyone to imagine who "Tom" Foul Mouth fellow and the creator of the fake R1 blog may be, but I do strongly think any suspicions should not appear on this or any other blog. I don't need "Tom" to have any more ammunition and I do know he has received comments that claim he is someone he is truly not.
Everything being written however, points to some kind of affiliation, I BELIEVE, with a group or other entity either in the Bisno organization or affiliated in some other way with support of Bob's plans.
It doesn't seem logical to me that someone claiming to be "Tom" would do what he has done with no affiliation of any kind with Bob. I just don't see why anyone would take the time and energy to defend a large development in northwest San Pedro unless they may be associated in some way or have some potential gain, somewhere along the line.
I don't get involved with the dispute on the docks because I have no dog in any fight there.
I can't understand anyone without a dog in the fight, getting into the fight. My "dog" is protecting the quality of live for all of us in OUR community and my ongoing activities supporting those goals.
I am associated with the Ponte Vista issue and when the paid petition gatherer told me to mind my own business, I did exactly what she demanded. Ponte Vista and helpint to find the best result for OUR community is at least part of my business, and I am proud to be associated with so many folks who are truly looking to find the best results for OUR community.
Thanks for your comments.
MW
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